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Navigating Interesting Times

Navigating Interesting Times

Risk Matters: The DWF insurance podcast | Ep04
In this episode of Risk Matters you will hear about two recent court judgments of note to the insurance community. 
Our hosts Jennifer Kleisner, Senior Associate and Simon Cooper, Consultant from the Global Risks team at DWF will be specifically discussing the decisions of two recent court judgements (1) Scotbeef v. D&S Storage and (2) Technip Saudi Arabia v. The Mediterranean & Gulf Insurance & Reinsurance Co.

*This podcast is a continuation of our recent article "Navigating: 'Interesting Times': Challenges and Opportunities for the Insurance Industry in 2024"

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Welcome to Risk Matters, the insurance podcast brought to you by DWF and your

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global guide to the latest trends and issues in the insurance and reinsurance industry.

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Join us as we explore topical issues, emerging technologies and the innovative

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strategies that are shaping the global future of insurance.

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Welcome to the next episode of our DWF Risk Matters podcast series titled We

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Live in Interesting Times, where myself, Jennifer Kleiser, will be talking with

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Simon Herman Cooper, about two recent court judgments of note to the insurance community.

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And this is a community that's seen shifting sands of late, facing fresh challenges

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and evaluating risk in view of global warming, increased global conflict and

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political instability, with

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around half of the world's population voting in elections during 2024.

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And it's important to remember the contract wording will always be the starting

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point for what terms have been agreed between insurers and insured,

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and what risk insurers have agreed to accept.

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Yes, although insurers are operating in a dynamic environment as far as risk

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is concerned, the terms of the policy remain key.

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And it's these contractual terms which are often central when a dispute gains traction.

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And two recent court decisions have been apt reminders of this.

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So I understand Simon will be looking today at the two decisions,

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Scott Beef against DNS Storage and Technip Saudi Arabia against the Mediterranean

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and Gulf Insurance and Reinsurance Company.

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Yes, that's right. The Scott Beef case is not only a reminder of the rules of construction,

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but it's also a great example of the way in which the Insurance Act of 2015,

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has changed the approach to warranties in an insurance contract,

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as well as the sort of evidence that insurers need their underwriters to demonstrate,

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if they want to argue that they would have written the risk on a different basis

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if a fair presentation had been made.

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Judgements applying the Act have been few and far between since 2016,

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and it's important to learn the lessons we can from cases like Scott Beef.

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Our second case today, the Technic case, focuses on the importance of policy definitions.

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Lawyers do love a definition. Yeah, we do.

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And it's interesting about this case that it highlights that just because a

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wording is a market standard wording, it doesn't mean it's perfect and arguments

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about its correct interpretation can still gain traction.

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And the case also contained some interesting commentary on insurance exclusions

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and on clauses requiring consent to settlement in the reinsurance context.

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So taking the Scott Beef case first, this judgment might come as something of

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an unpleasant surprise to insurers.

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Yeah, I think so, because the court found

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that the effect of the Insurance Act was such that a condition precedent to

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liability written into the policy concerning the insured's trading conditions

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was unenforceable as a contractual condition precedent and should instead be

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treated as a pre-contractual representation,

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which could only operate, if at all, as a warranty subject to the new rules set out in the Act.

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The background to the case was that DNS Storage, who is the plaintiff,

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that's wrong actually, can I go back?

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The background to the case was that DNS Storage provided warehousing facilities

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for meat processing companies in Scotland.

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It contracted with its clients on the basis of industry standard terms,

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known as the UKWA terms, and subsequently the FSDF terms.

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That's a lot of acronyms. Yeah, we love our acronyms as well as our definitions, don't we?

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So, DNS purchased Warehouse Keepers Liability Insurance from Lonham, the insurance company.

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And the policy noted that the insured's trading conditions were FSDF terms and conditions.

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And the policy also contained a duty of assured clause, which is at the heart of this dispute.

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Okay, so this is where the all-important so-called condition precedent comes into play.

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So the duty of assured clause provided, I understand, that it was a condition

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precedent to the liability of insurers, that the insured would firstly make

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a full declaration of all current trading conditions at inception,

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during the currency of the policy, continuously trade under the conditions they

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had declared and had been approved by insurers in writing,

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and take all reasonable and practical steps to ensure that their trading conditions

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were incorporated in all contracts that the insured entered into,

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presumably for the duration of the policy.

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I mean, that seems fairly clear drafting to me.

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Yes, and the clause seemed to provide a bit of a get-out at the end as well,

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because it said that if a claim under the policy arose,

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and it concerned an underlying contract where the insured had failed to incorporate the conditions,

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the insured's right to indemnity would not be prejudiced if they could show

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that they'd taken all reasonable and practicable steps to incorporate the conditions

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into the relevant contract.

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The difficulty arose because there was a clause later in the wording,

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I think it was a couple of pages further on, that set out the effect of a breach

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of this condition precedent,

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and it said that if insurers could identify a breach of condition precedent,

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then they'd be entitled to avoid the claim in its entirety.

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And how did the claim that was the subject of this dispute arise? What were the facts?

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Well, DNS made a claim following allegations against it by Scott Beef,

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which was a red meat product provider, as its name might suggest.

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And Scott Beef alleged that meat had been inadequately stored in the DNS warehouses

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and had therefore become damaged.

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And whilst the claim was being investigated by the insurers,

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it transpired that DNS's contract with Scott Beef was not on the SFDF terms

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and conditions as had been required by the insurance contract.

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And on that basis, insurers rejected the claim and they said there had been

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a breach of the condition precedent set out in the duty of assured clause.

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And given the drafting of that clause was pretty clear, how did the insured

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try and argue that the claim should still be paid?

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Well, DNS's case was that the requirements of the duty of assured clause were

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not on their true construction, conditions precedent, but instead were pre-contractual representations.

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And the court agreed with that argument.

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Looking at the requirements of the duty of assured clause, the court felt that

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although these were badged as conditions precedent, so insurers had described

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them as condition precedent in the actual contract,

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that wasn't conclusive and the clauses Causes could be properly interpreted

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as pre-contractual representations which had intended to be incorporated into the contract.

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That was partly because they represented promises by the insured about the situation

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at inception where they declared that all trading conditions then in use satisfied various criteria.

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And then they said that they would only trade under those conditions for the duration of the policy.

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Of course, if these requirements were indeed pre-contractual representations

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rather than conditions precedent,

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then the only way for them to be enforced once the contract had been entered

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into is for them to be treated of warranties by the insured for the purposes of the contract.

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But the Insurance Act has obviously changed the way warranties are treated in insurance contracts.

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Yes, that's right, because Section 9 of the Insurance Act states that a pre-contractual

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representation can't automatically be turned into a warranty,

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and any attempt to do so in the wording,

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for example by a basis of contract clause, will be unenforceable.

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There was a bit more of a debate about the third part of the clause,

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which requires the insured to take reasonable steps to ensure that conditions

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are incorporated into the contract the insurer has entered into on an ongoing basis,

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as well as in contracts that existed at the time that the policy was entered into. you.

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But the court held that this couldn't be relied upon as a freestanding condition

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precedent to liability, as

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it didn't comply with the transparency requirements of the Insurance Act.

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Ah yes, so where you have a clause that puts the insured in a worse position

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than would have been the case under the Act, you have to make sure the clause

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is drafted in a clear and unambiguous way,

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and also draw the attention of the insured specifically to the relevant clause

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prior to the policy being entered into.

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Yes, that's right. And none of those conditions had been satisfied here.

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And they needed to be because the third part of the duty of assured clause entitled

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insurers to reject a claim unless the insured took all reasonable and practicable

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steps to ensure that their trading conditions were incorporated into the contracts they entered into.

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If the wording was allowed to stand as is, the insured would be in a worse position

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than under the Act, which provides that insurers are only off-risk whilst the

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insured is in breach of any warranty,

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or condition precedent is in breach of any warranty, and a condition precedent

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is in breach of any warranty.

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And furthermore, breach of warranty or breach of a condition precedent...

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If you can also go through it, and then go before it.

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Okay, I'll start the whole thing again. If the wording was allowed to stand as is,

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the insured would be in a worse position than under the Act,

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which provides that insurers will only be off risk for a breach of warranty

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while the insured is in breach and once the breach has been remedied, cover will be restored.

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And it's also the case under the new Act that a breach of warranty or a condition

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precedent can be disregarded altogether under Section 11 if the warranty is

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intended to reduce the risk of loss of a particular kind,

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in a particular place, or at a particular location,

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and if breach of the warranty didn't increase the likelihood of the loss which

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actually occurred occurring.

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So for the clause to be effective, the Section 17 transparency requirements

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had to be adhered to, and as the judge found, they hadn't been.

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So presumably that left insurers with only an argument for breach of the duty

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of fair presentation under Section 3, on the basis that the insured had misrepresented

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its trading practices during placement.

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Well, that's right. And as you know, if insurers want to argue that there's

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been a breach of the duty of fair presentation, they have two choices.

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They can either try and make an argument that the breach was deliberate or reckless.

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And if they do that, they'd be entitled to avoid the policy from inception and keep the premium.

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Alternatively as here they can argue that

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the breach was not deliberate or reckless and

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in those circumstances their remedy will depend on what the actual underwriter

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would have done if he or she had received a fair presentation of the risk at

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placement so for example if the actual underwriter says that he or she would

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not have written the risk and can establish that on the balance of probabilities,

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then the contract will be treated as void.

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Alternatively, if the underwriter's evidence is that they would have written

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the risk on different terms, then those terms will be incorporated into the

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contract from inception.

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But in order to prove what the underwriter would have done under different circumstances,

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insurers will, if possible, need evidence from that underwriter because it's a subjective test.

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And if that underwriter isn't available, as unfortunately for insurers was the

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case here, then they'll need evidence such as applicable underwriting guidelines,

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evidence of corporate practice from more senior underwriters of the class in

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question, or evidence from someone with previous experience of the account.

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In this case, as I say, the original underwriter wasn't available to give evidence

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and so insurers relied on evidence from the underwriter who'd been responsible

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for writing the risk in previous years.

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That underwriter claimed that insurers had always based their underwriting decisions

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for this risk on the assumption that the standard terms would apply to the contract

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between the insured and its customers.

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And her case was that if insurers had been told that the insured was not always

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applying those standard terms, insurers would have declined the risk completely.

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It seems like quite a lot rests on that evidence that you put forward as to

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what the underwriter's decision would have been.

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How did the court receive the evidence in this matter? Well, you're right,

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and this is a big change from the position under the old Marine Insurance Act,

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because now the underwriter has to prove on the balance of probabilities what

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would have happened if a fair presentation had been made.

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And in this case, the underwriter accepted under cross-examination that important

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provisions of the standard terms,

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and particularly the provisions relating to limits of liability in the original

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contract between the insured and its customers,

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could have been incorporated into the insurance itself.

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But nonetheless, she still maintained that the risk would not have been written

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without the representation by the insured that standard terms were being applied.

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But the judge couldn't accept that, and the reasons for that were first of all

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that the FSDF terms were not in fact industry standard, as had been argued by the insurers,

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and furthermore, and perhaps even more damningly, insurers didn't even know

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what was in the FSDF terms when they wrote the risk in the first place.

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And finally, as the underwriter conceded in cross-examination,

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the judge found that important provisions of the FSDF terms could have been

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incorporated into the insurance had insurers actually considered them to be

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important and they hadn't done that.

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And all of that undermined the case that underwriters' decision to participate

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in the risk was determined by the insurer's representation that they would always

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incorporate these terms into their underlying contract.

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And on that basis, then, the judge found that insurers had failed to show that

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they wouldn't have written the contract at all had a fair presentation been

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made, and they therefore weren't entitled to avoid the risk and had to pay the underlying loss.

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So I think this shows the real importance of the evidence of the underwriter

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and the importance of having anything that will back that up as well as the

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individual's testimony, such as underwriting records, things like that.

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Yeah, I agree. And it's an important reminder of the significance of maintaining

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clear underwriting records and internal underwriting guidelines so that insurers

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are in a strong position to prove what it is that they would have done had a

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fair presentation been May.

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Often, they may be required to give that evidence some years down the line.

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If it's not supported by documentation, obviously, that can be difficult. Okay.

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Let's move on then to our second case we're discussing in this podcast,

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the Technip Saudi Arabia against the Mediterranean and Gulf insurance and reinsurance company MATA.

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Just looking at the facts of this one, Technip, which was the insured,

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contracted to carry out work on offshore assets, which were owned by a joint venture company.

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And I understand that as part of the transaction, Technit entered into a standard

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form all risks insurance policy covering offshore construction in the form of

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an amended Wellcar 2001 offshore construction project policy.

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So kind of a standard term policy.

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And the JV company and the other contractors were also insured under this same policy.

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Now, in terms of the facts that led to the loss, So whilst the offshore works

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were underway, a vessel that Technip had charted collided with an unmanned offshore

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wellhead that was owned by the JV company.

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Technip claimed on the policy, but I understand insurers rejected liability.

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And on that basis, they advised Technip to act as a prudent uninsured in their

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discussions with the JV company about the loss.

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And Technip, you know, accordingly went on to do just that and negotiate a settlement

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of 25 million US dollars.

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Once that settlement had been agreed, the insured once again approached insurers

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for indemnity under the policy and cover was once more rejected,

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this time on the basis that the loss was excluded.

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But they also raised the argument that Technip had failed to obtain insurer's

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consent to the settlement, which I understand was a requirement of the policy.

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So let's have a look at the exclusion point in the first instance.

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Yeah, so and this is where our all important definitions become relevant.

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Because the relevant exclusion carved out any claim for damages to any property

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which the principal assured, with an A, owned that was not otherwise provided for in the policy.

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But the policy didn't define a principal assured,

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what it did was define principal insured, and the principal insured,

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with an I, was defined in a way that included both Technic and the JV company,

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which of course had owned the damaged wellhead.

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Okay, so slightly different terminology, principal insured versus principal

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assured, where only principal insured is defined.

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That's right. And the policy furthermore distinguished between principal insureds and other insureds,

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which was also a defined term in the policy and referred to another category

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of insureds who were covered by the policy,

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presumably to a lesser extent or for lesser covers or lesser amounts.

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So the insurers argued that the principal assured in the exclusion should have

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the same meaning as the defined term principal insureds.

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And that meant, of course, that the exclusion would bite because the property

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which had been damaged was the property owned by one of the principal ashwards

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– in other words, the JV company.

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Technic's position, on the other hand, was that the term principal assured in

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the exclusion should be read as applying only to the principal insured making

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the claim, in other words, Technic.

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And where the property forming the subject of the claim was not the property

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of Technic, the exclusion didn't bite.

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So all of this turns on whether you use an A or an I, which is the sort of point

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that lawyers love and everyone else thinks is probably rather silly.

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But nonetheless, £25 million or US dollars turned on this one issue. you.

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Teknik also tried to make the argument that because the policy was a composite policy,

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in other words, it covered a number of different insureds, under which insured

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party should be treated as a separate distinct insured, when considering the exclusion,

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the court should consider the term as if there was only one insured.

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Okay, but am I right that Teknik lost at first instance.

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Yeah, despite all those arguments, Technic did indeed lose at first instance

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and the court found for insurers holding that the exclusion applied and the

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court then went, or the case then went to appeal,

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but unfortunately for Technic, they lost again in the court of appeal.

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And it's at the court of appeal where the issues surrounding the principles

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of construction were really addressed in detail because the court of appeal.

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If you start from the beginning okay yeah

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so the court found for insurers they found

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that the exclusion applied but the case then

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went to appeal at the court of appeal but nonetheless

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the court of appeal also found in favor of insurers and technic lost once again

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and it was at the court appeal level that the issue of construction interpretation

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of the policy was set out in terms of basic principles and basic rules.

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And what the Court of Appeal reminded everybody of is that the words of the

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contract have to be given their natural and ordinary meaning as far as possible.

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And that's the natural and ordinary meaning that would be understood by an objective

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person in the position of the parties to the contract.

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It's not something that would be understood by a lawyer's undertaking a microscopic

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examination of the wording, looking at the I's and A's and so on.

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What we're looking for is the natural and ordinary meaning of the words on an objective basis.

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The court acknowledged that the drafted clause was a market standard wording,

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but nonetheless they said that it's not a model of clear drafting,

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and so the first lesson for us here, I think, is that just because the wording

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is a market standard doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be clear.

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But nonetheless, the Court of Appeal found that insurers' interpretation of the exclusion,

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which involved reading principal insureds instead of principal assureds,

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did much less violence, as they put it, to the wording than the approach suggested by Technic.

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Technic's approach involved adding extra words to the clause,

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which was always, I think, probably going to be an uphill battle.

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Because what they said was that the court should effectively agree to amend

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the exclusion to refer not to any claim for damages to any property which the

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principal assured owned,

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but instead to any claim for damage to any property which the principal assured making the claim owned.

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So you see they wanted to add in some extra words and the court said that that

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did more violence, as they put it, to the wording than the interpretation suggested by the insurers.

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And it was also a factor, looking more broadly at the policy wording,

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that Technic's interpretation wouldn't work in the event of a claim by one of

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the other insureds who didn't, of course, actually own any property covered by the policy.

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Okay, so in that scenario, there wouldn't be any property which the principal

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assured making the claim owned because another insured would be making the claim. Yeah, exactly.

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So did the fact that this was, you mentioned earlier, it's a composite policy,

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it covers a number of named insureds, as we discussed earlier,

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but each should be treated distinctly. Did that argument hold any sway?

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No, it didn't. I mean, that was an argument that the technique tried to make,

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as you know, but the approach to the exclusion would be the same,

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whether this was a composite policy or not.

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And what about the consent to settlement point? Yeah, the relevant clause in

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the policy provided that insurers would only be liable to indemnify the insured

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in respect of damage where the insurers had consented to the underlying settlement.

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And in this case, they hadn't consented to the underlying settlement between Technic and the JV.

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But insurers had rejected the claim, if I remember correctly,

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and then told Technic to behave as a prudent uninsured. Can they really rely

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on a consent to settle clause in those circumstances? Well, the answer to that is no.

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The court found that insurers had either waived their right to rely on the consent

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to settle clause or stopped from doing so because of their denial of coverage earlier.

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So insurers couldn't effectively have their cake and eat it.

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And do these findings about the consent to settle clause still apply where the

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case had already been resolved on the basis of the exclusion?

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There was no cover anyway. way?

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Well, strictly speaking, the judge's comments on the point are non-binding on

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other judges, but they're still certainly persuasive and they'll be taken into

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account by courts facing similar issues in the future.

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And quite frankly, in my view anyway, it's so blindingly obvious that that is

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the right interpretation that I wouldn't want to be in the position of trying

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to argue something different.

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So just in terms of kind of takeaways from those two cases and some Some of

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these, I think, are reminders of things we already know, but just have been

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hammered home by the court again.

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So make sure a clause has the effect that you want it to based on the drafting.

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So labelling a condition precedent doesn't by itself make the clause a condition precedent.

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You know, it's the substance rather than the label, that old story.

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And I think this is also a salutary reminder about the transparency requirements

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under the Act. If you want the clause to do something more than the act itself

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allows, just make sure you're ticking those section 16 and 17 boxes.

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As I understand it, we talked about this earlier, keep clear underwriting records.

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It's one of those things that probably seems like another job at the time.

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But if you do find yourself, as you said, potentially years later,

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wanting to make out a breach of fair presentation argument, you're going to

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need to have that evidence to back it up.

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And finally, if you do, as many policies do, have a consent to settle clause,

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give careful thought as to how any rejection of coverage,

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kind of email or letter is worded, if actually the coverage position is still

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a bit uncertain, so that you can preserve your entitlement to rely on that consent

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to settlement clause down the line.

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Yeah, I agree with all of that. And I think more generally, these cases illustrate

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that wordings are dynamic or should be considered a dynamic because the nature

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of risk is always changing,

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because the legal and commercial background is evolving.

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So we've seen, for example, in our first case, the Scott Beef case,

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a failure by insurers to respond properly, arguably to the effects of the Insurance Act.

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And one needs to bear in mind, therefore, that the legal background to your

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wordings is always ways evolving.

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And it's important on that basis to review existing wordings regularly to ensure

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they remain up to date and fit for purpose.

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And that is the position whether they're market standard clauses or other bespoke

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products, because it's interesting here that in our second case, the Technic case,

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the court was concerned with a market standard wording, but nonetheless found

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it to be poorly drafted and in many ways not really fit for purpose in the circumstances of this loss.

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So new wordings and clauses should be prepared on the basis of existing circumstances

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and not just on what's gone before.

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Interesting times indeed. So thanks to anyone who's listening and please do

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